Well, I guess my detailed post about “Democracy” was too long that it got modded out – I understand.

Anyway, trying to reproduce its essence:

The whole idea of “Democracy” is a BIG JOKE, fake.

There is NO and never been “… by the people, for the people” anywhere in the world.

Even in ancient Athenian “democracy” – where only adult males who got military training had the privilege and right to vote – who comprised at most a quarter of the population (some source say – only 10%). Excluding women, “aliens,” half-bloods, etc.

And on the top of that, this “majority rule” (who was actually minority) allowed slavery, in fact in Athens it was more than in other Greek cities.

Modern “democracies” are no better – being mostly “corporate fascism” states.

So, yes – “Democracy anyone?”

“Jatuporn … said if an MP resigns and the Election Commission calls a by-election, then the MP must pay the 10 million baht cost of the poll.”

Democracy anyone?

By the people for the people?

I doubt that “people” (say, some Isaan farmers) can afford paying 10 million merely for being eligible to run for a MP position, as a representative from their area.

Which brings to the natural conclusion of: WHO (what kind of “people”) has a chance to get elected at least as an ordinary MP – not to speak of becoming a PM! Even Jatuporn, already MP, hardly would ever AFFORD running for PM – while pretty boy Abhisit had not much problems. Or imagine Veera, with his not at all photogenic typical Isaan peasant face – being ever allowed to become a PM! I almost hear the outrage of good fellow urban folks and elite – “What a sacrilege! Buffalo became PM!”

(BD: Well Banharn had the honor …)

What measure do you use to judge a person? As for me, I judge them by what they can do to help my family and my community. A direct hit from the change after the coup is that now I have to go to an army hospital for a better care. A student in my village who went to school on scholarship almost had to drop out because the program was no longer funded. A lot of people have to chip in the money to help her finish school. She’s the lucky one because there are others that simply have to drop out.

A real change can only come from the people themselves. I think democracy have a chance to flourish if more people keep their mind open and willing to compromise for the good of others. People with one-sided mind are an obstacle for democracy.

Again Thaksin is the greatest(er) evil and therefore simply not suitable to run this country. If you think otherwise, then I think you don’t understand what long-term problems and mentality he spread(s) throughout the country.

People were never so money and capital greedy and aggressive as today. See Thailand a view years back, money was not no. 1 topic. Now it is.

Or do you want a sort off N.Y. Stock Exchange to take over Thailand with Thaksin as shareholder and only consider max-profit for portfolio members only and rob the whole country dry and flat and stock all profits outside the country?

Please stop dreaming and pick what we have now.

It’s like a restaurant menu. You can only order what’s on the menu and not dream of some homemade farang Avatar solutions for Thailand.

How about giving democracy a chance to mature in Thailand?

Are you so blind as to not see a pattern of military coups “required” to rid the country of “corrupt” politicians – when do democracy and THE PEOPLE get a chance to mature politically?

Why can a few fat cat military generals be forever determining who is corrupt? (Ever wondered how they got so wealthy themselves?)

Try getting over Thaksin, he is not the only devil in Thailand, far from it – have you considered that he’s only being made out to be the “source of all evil” precisely because he is extraordinarily popular (not semi-divine, and just a mere politician), and because he made really did make it harder for the the old network members to continue reaping their “abnormal gains”?

Especially in terms of media manipulation, and his brutal dictator-style leadership cost many people’s lives, nerves, unneeded lawsuits, etc.

Not to forget his big scale corruption and law amendments to mainly profit his own and his cronies’ companies/pockets.

The problem is actually I believe, Asian countries with poor eduction systems are actually – if we are honest – not suitable for Western style democracy. So why are you guys all screaming for it?

Actually it would require a strong government (the least possible corrupt government ;o) to finally bring the education system on near-Western levels, so elections would make sense.

Also each election in the past view years were mostly corrupted and paid by Thaksin. I know of several upcountry families who were paid since years, only by Thaksin’s party. None else. Democracy, anyone?

So the joke of this red shirt rally is foremost that he just claimed yesterday he’s the inspiration and his reds should fight for democracy, not for him. Ah yes?

Don’t forget chaps, Thaksin back then even openly declared that he doesn’t need democracy during his dictator-style leadership. Mostly not even his own team was consulted. Mostly all decisions were made by him only, based on short-term tempers and moods it seemed. Total arrogant and in love with himself. Dangerously paranoid too.

And even some off his closest allies today, like Jakaprob Penkair before they started to work with him, criticized Thaksin for his media-manipulation. How quick can opinions change? Money and power, that’s the key answer.

Thaksin a role model for Thailand? I doubt it seriously. The opposite I guess.

All above notes/claims can be read also here on aB.com – just search for Thaksin, and read some of Dan’s older stories.

Question is now: Why the hell do the reds want to have Thaksin back? He and democracy are as black and white as it gets. I’m just saying he’s taking and taking you all for a ride but actually has only one thing in mind: power lust, greed and more money. Especially power lust.

Please rethink again before you dream of a red shirt revolution which finally should bring back “true democracy.” I’m sure it just will get even worse if the next election would be once again bought by Thaksin (same as most likely 80% of the demonstrators would never show up if they wouldn’t get his cash handouts).

If you want progress now in Thailand, then just let Abhisit continue with his education program and other good, honest and well-meant ideas, and meanwhile yes check the current government’s actions too. Corrupt people are everywhere in Thailand, so don’t dream of one clean red new government solution by just turning the clock backwards to some dream-like times that never really were here.

The main point is I guess: Honesty, morality and a try for a real long-term plan/solution has to be heard from the top man. If the man on top of the pyramid is already spreading lies, is corrupt and has no plan to tackle environmental issues as well, how will the rest below ever learn what is right and what is wrong.

Why now move backwards again and place all in one hand/silly and dangerous mind.

Look at his followers, launching grenades since years, threatening to bomb and kill etc., planning to collect blood sample for voodoo-style rituals.

These are the minds of his creating with brutal selfish rhetoric. Wait and see in the next view days, Thaksin & Co. will make their next mistakes again, over and over again.

Please stop supporting Thaksin for the sake of Thailand, it just makes no sense at all.

(BD: Question is who are the bigger liars and robbers.)

“Nuttawut Saikua, a red shirt leader, announces that a total of three million cc of blood will be taken from one million red shirts tomorrow. If the prime minister still refuses to dissolve the house, the blood will be poured at Democrat Party, the Government House and the PM’s residence.”

That is a pretty unusual thing, sort of a blood sacrifice?

Well, from a certain point of view it’s pretty logical, I guess: sort of “anyway these rascals suck our blood” or something like that (as well as slaughter, literally, as in ’76 and ’92).

Three million cc – hmmm …

Sondhi Lim’s “bloodied tampons” stuff pales in the scale!

To me it is quite strange actually. Smells rather as some sort of occultism/magic being employed rather than a political action.

(BD: Looks like a pompous exit strategy.)