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		<title>By: dr.k.conor</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/how-western-parents-can-have-polite-kind-respectful-kids-teach-them-thai-values/#comment-10705</link>
		<dc:creator>dr.k.conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, U.Sathyamoorthy. No society, nor culture anywhere, nor at any time, can honestly claim to have obtained the &#039;values&#039; that you believe the &quot;Thai&quot; claim to have. The &quot;culture&quot; of &quot;thainess&quot; and &quot;nationalism&quot; prevails here.

Perhaps, the Thai students who recently threw flares at an opposing football team were being ideal. Or the &#039;Thai&#039; who beat to death a man who damaged the Erawan Idol were being ideal or being Buddhist. Or the university students who chastised a girl who cut her hair in here own style..and should be ashamed of her difference and should not present herself for her diploma. Perhaps the values you claim exist in the &quot;Thai&quot; drug police who executed 3,000 &quot;suspects&quot; were acting ideally or just being obediant as they were taught in public schools. Or maybe it was it was the two &#039;Thai&#039; brothers who after purchasing a residence hotel for elderly Chinese and Filipino retirees in San Francisco evicted them and destroyed the hotel all within half a day ... &quot;they were just doing what was correct from where they came from&quot; [as assessed by S.F. police]. Or maybe the proud &#039;Thai&#039; aspect comes in when the Kasikorn Bank denied me access to a jointly held account, but gave it all away to the &quot;Thai&quot; side, as &quot;farang cannot be trusted as they lie and use Thais.&quot; As for the aspect of Child Abduction by a Parent, eight (8) members of the United Nations have little or no laws on this issue, all eight form the bulk of Asean, all eight claim it is their &quot;sovereign right and culture&quot; to permit this. Thai Police will not even make a rudimentary report on the issue. As for the many foreigners seeking a inexpensive and safe haven, I know of a foreigner, once a radio celebrity, whose offspring Thai son evicted his own mother from her house ... &quot;because my new Thai wife does not want a farang in &#039;her&#039; house.&quot;

I suggest Mr. Sathyamoorthy, you read further back into the comments or else wonder why so many people have so many &#039;war&#039; stories to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, U.Sathyamoorthy. No society, nor culture anywhere, nor at any time, can honestly claim to have obtained the &#8216;values&#8217; that you believe the &#8220;Thai&#8221; claim to have. The &#8220;culture&#8221; of &#8220;thainess&#8221; and &#8220;nationalism&#8221; prevails here.</p>
<p>Perhaps, the Thai students who recently threw flares at an opposing football team were being ideal. Or the &#8216;Thai&#8217; who beat to death a man who damaged the Erawan Idol were being ideal or being Buddhist. Or the university students who chastised a girl who cut her hair in here own style..and should be ashamed of her difference and should not present herself for her diploma. Perhaps the values you claim exist in the &#8220;Thai&#8221; drug police who executed 3,000 &#8220;suspects&#8221; were acting ideally or just being obediant as they were taught in public schools. Or maybe it was it was the two &#8216;Thai&#8217; brothers who after purchasing a residence hotel for elderly Chinese and Filipino retirees in San Francisco evicted them and destroyed the hotel all within half a day &#8230; &#8220;they were just doing what was correct from where they came from&#8221; [as assessed by S.F. police]. Or maybe the proud &#8216;Thai&#8217; aspect comes in when the Kasikorn Bank denied me access to a jointly held account, but gave it all away to the &#8220;Thai&#8221; side, as &#8220;farang cannot be trusted as they lie and use Thais.&#8221; As for the aspect of Child Abduction by a Parent, eight (8) members of the United Nations have little or no laws on this issue, all eight form the bulk of Asean, all eight claim it is their &#8220;sovereign right and culture&#8221; to permit this. Thai Police will not even make a rudimentary report on the issue. As for the many foreigners seeking a inexpensive and safe haven, I know of a foreigner, once a radio celebrity, whose offspring Thai son evicted his own mother from her house &#8230; &#8220;because my new Thai wife does not want a farang in &#8216;her&#8217; house.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suggest Mr. Sathyamoorthy, you read further back into the comments or else wonder why so many people have so many &#8216;war&#8217; stories to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: U.Sathyamoorthy</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/how-western-parents-can-have-polite-kind-respectful-kids-teach-them-thai-values/#comment-10696</link>
		<dc:creator>U.Sathyamoorthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an expat living in Bangkok,Thailand, for some years now.

If I was asked to write about &quot;Thai values practiced by Thais, as seen in day today life,&quot; I will surely and certainly mention all those values so well expressed by this author. The very important point Fabletoo wants to makes is that these values are and these values were the most cherished in Thai society. Thailand let me say, is still successful in preserving these values  amongst their younger generations. Exceptions will be there, and that is not our concern here. Accept the facts as they are.
 
Most of the other Asian countries including China, India have actually deserted these values although they were considered the greatest of cultures and civilisations once. Surely Thailand and the Thai parents must feel proud of their children who are by and large sincerely following those values highlighted by the author.
 
I have always held the Thai children in high esteem and their sincere respectfulness to all elders is something adorable and enviable.
 
None of the children who study in International schools have displayed such winning qualities as a child from a regular Thai school in Bangkok. This in itself is a great tribute to the greatest service the Thai teachers and their parents are rendering to their country and to their society.

Believe me when I say this: Thailand is the only country in this part of the world with maximum number of repeat tourist visitors, because they honestly believe that Thai people and the whole community are innately good and friendly and always helpful. I too firmly believe in this. All said and done, a Thai child is a much more cultured and civilised human being than many living in other countries. I am proud to be living in Thailand and I am inspired by the goodness of the Thai people in whose midst I am living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an expat living in Bangkok,Thailand, for some years now.</p>
<p>If I was asked to write about &#8220;Thai values practiced by Thais, as seen in day today life,&#8221; I will surely and certainly mention all those values so well expressed by this author. The very important point Fabletoo wants to makes is that these values are and these values were the most cherished in Thai society. Thailand let me say, is still successful in preserving these values  amongst their younger generations. Exceptions will be there, and that is not our concern here. Accept the facts as they are.</p>
<p>Most of the other Asian countries including China, India have actually deserted these values although they were considered the greatest of cultures and civilisations once. Surely Thailand and the Thai parents must feel proud of their children who are by and large sincerely following those values highlighted by the author.</p>
<p>I have always held the Thai children in high esteem and their sincere respectfulness to all elders is something adorable and enviable.</p>
<p>None of the children who study in International schools have displayed such winning qualities as a child from a regular Thai school in Bangkok. This in itself is a great tribute to the greatest service the Thai teachers and their parents are rendering to their country and to their society.</p>
<p>Believe me when I say this: Thailand is the only country in this part of the world with maximum number of repeat tourist visitors, because they honestly believe that Thai people and the whole community are innately good and friendly and always helpful. I too firmly believe in this. All said and done, a Thai child is a much more cultured and civilised human being than many living in other countries. I am proud to be living in Thailand and I am inspired by the goodness of the Thai people in whose midst I am living.</p>
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		<title>By: stefan</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/how-western-parents-can-have-polite-kind-respectful-kids-teach-them-thai-values/#comment-10686</link>
		<dc:creator>stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dr.k.conor, even if your account was totally fictitious, my heart goes out to you and your child. Unlike my sympathy, or lack of it for Jack who comes across like the perfect &quot;Useful Idiot&quot;  whose testimonial the TAT would love to highlight in their Amazing Thailand retinue of foreigners who don&#039;t question anything. Must be pussy whipped or cursed by some potent Namman Prai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dr.k.conor, even if your account was totally fictitious, my heart goes out to you and your child. Unlike my sympathy, or lack of it for Jack who comes across like the perfect &#8220;Useful Idiot&#8221;  whose testimonial the TAT would love to highlight in their Amazing Thailand retinue of foreigners who don&#8217;t question anything. Must be pussy whipped or cursed by some potent Namman Prai.</p>
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		<title>By: dr.k.conor</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/how-western-parents-can-have-polite-kind-respectful-kids-teach-them-thai-values/#comment-10683</link>
		<dc:creator>dr.k.conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having the experience of a child abducted gives a knowledge one would not choose. My son, at age three, was abducted by his Thai mother. I have seen him only four times in the last two years. At age three, he could speak perfect English and could quote all of the Latin in a Harry Potter movie. Now, at age five, he smears his English: replacing r and l, with w, pwease, pway,  e wiss [eat rice]. He was placed in a Thai uncle&#039;s house, who regularly beats him, his Thai mother also beats him. On one of his rare visits, he beat a Thai boy on the street and threw stones at him; he beat with a stick the elderly wife of a friend and ejected one of the worse English swear expressions he learned from the Thai mother. I have pushed this case to the Thai Deptartement of Welfare, who has done nothing. PS: At his kindergarten school, the Thai teacher does beat him and he almost fell out a window trying to escape. At three he was curious and spoke up about what he wanted, now he lowers his head and talks quietly into his shirt. The Thai guidelines for children only mentions two important factors: obediance to the standards of Thai society. Justice and morality are not included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having the experience of a child abducted gives a knowledge one would not choose. My son, at age three, was abducted by his Thai mother. I have seen him only four times in the last two years. At age three, he could speak perfect English and could quote all of the Latin in a Harry Potter movie. Now, at age five, he smears his English: replacing r and l, with w, pwease, pway,  e wiss [eat rice]. He was placed in a Thai uncle&#8217;s house, who regularly beats him, his Thai mother also beats him. On one of his rare visits, he beat a Thai boy on the street and threw stones at him; he beat with a stick the elderly wife of a friend and ejected one of the worse English swear expressions he learned from the Thai mother. I have pushed this case to the Thai Deptartement of Welfare, who has done nothing. PS: At his kindergarten school, the Thai teacher does beat him and he almost fell out a window trying to escape. At three he was curious and spoke up about what he wanted, now he lowers his head and talks quietly into his shirt. The Thai guidelines for children only mentions two important factors: obediance to the standards of Thai society. Justice and morality are not included.</p>
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		<title>By: dr. k.conor</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/how-western-parents-can-have-polite-kind-respectful-kids-teach-them-thai-values/#comment-6573</link>
		<dc:creator>dr. k.conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Through experiences I wish I never had nor would want, I will disagree with everything in this article.

Every Dharma Thais claim they follow, is untrue. Thailand may be a land of laws, but not justice. It may have a &quot;culture,&quot; but I am not part of it. Thais do not understand morality is not ethics. Beating children is immoral, I don&#039;t need someone to say its OK.

Thailand is on just about every Watch List and there are sites devoted to each failing of Thais: theft, corruption, bias, children beatings, &quot;schooling&quot; and ... police. Thai and Thailand is at best called a facade that is not funny. Thais will protect Thais from arrest or responsibility; but not foreigners. Thais wish they would be lauded as &quot;world leaders&quot; ... etc. Thailand signs half of the United Nations&#039; human rights accords, but not the civil aspects nor the core intents. Thus, parental abduction is LEGAL in Thailand (with no laws to say so).

Thai police will NOT make a report for this; Thai Human Rights Commission will only protect and assist the &quot;Thai&quot; parent doing the abducting. Being an American, parental abduction is illegal, a civil crime. U.S. social security benefits, which would pay for the children&#039;s welfare, medicine and education ... through university ... will not be paid due to the &quot;theft&quot; of the children. Thai ministry of social and welfare Services claims &quot;it is our culture&quot; the children can go to public Thai school and &quot;learn obedience.&quot; The mentality or sanity of the Thai parent is never questioned nor examined by the Thai department of mental health.

Having been denied access to the kids for two years ... they ask me &quot;daddy, why don&#039;t you drink beer&quot;? This is a &quot;proud culture&quot;? This is an education? I now understand, the Thai &quot;wai&quot; means respect AND obedience. Can only grin and bear it.

Thailand is not the place for educating children with a mind or a morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through experiences I wish I never had nor would want, I will disagree with everything in this article.</p>
<p>Every Dharma Thais claim they follow, is untrue. Thailand may be a land of laws, but not justice. It may have a &#8220;culture,&#8221; but I am not part of it. Thais do not understand morality is not ethics. Beating children is immoral, I don&#8217;t need someone to say its OK.</p>
<p>Thailand is on just about every Watch List and there are sites devoted to each failing of Thais: theft, corruption, bias, children beatings, &#8220;schooling&#8221; and &#8230; police. Thai and Thailand is at best called a facade that is not funny. Thais will protect Thais from arrest or responsibility; but not foreigners. Thais wish they would be lauded as &#8220;world leaders&#8221; &#8230; etc. Thailand signs half of the United Nations&#8217; human rights accords, but not the civil aspects nor the core intents. Thus, parental abduction is LEGAL in Thailand (with no laws to say so).</p>
<p>Thai police will NOT make a report for this; Thai Human Rights Commission will only protect and assist the &#8220;Thai&#8221; parent doing the abducting. Being an American, parental abduction is illegal, a civil crime. U.S. social security benefits, which would pay for the children&#8217;s welfare, medicine and education &#8230; through university &#8230; will not be paid due to the &#8220;theft&#8221; of the children. Thai ministry of social and welfare Services claims &#8220;it is our culture&#8221; the children can go to public Thai school and &#8220;learn obedience.&#8221; The mentality or sanity of the Thai parent is never questioned nor examined by the Thai department of mental health.</p>
<p>Having been denied access to the kids for two years &#8230; they ask me &#8220;daddy, why don&#8217;t you drink beer&#8221;? This is a &#8220;proud culture&#8221;? This is an education? I now understand, the Thai &#8220;wai&#8221; means respect AND obedience. Can only grin and bear it.</p>
<p>Thailand is not the place for educating children with a mind or a morality.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original author is right. Thais are the nicest people in the world, as long as you adapt your own foreign ways to fit in with them. Then Thailand will become a paradise for you. It certainly worked for me. Can&#039;t remember the last time I had any argument, frustration or anxiety in Bangkok. Then again, I think my attitude has always been rather Thai-ish, which is why I was viewed as an oddball in my native USA. People didn&#039;t understand my character, but here in Thailand I&#039;m loved by many, even though my Thai language is still weak. If you&#039;re the type of person who can&#039;t change your Western ways of thinking and acting, Thailand isn&#039;t the place for you. If you can succeed in doing that, it seems almost like a Utopia, as it does for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original author is right. Thais are the nicest people in the world, as long as you adapt your own foreign ways to fit in with them. Then Thailand will become a paradise for you. It certainly worked for me. Can&#8217;t remember the last time I had any argument, frustration or anxiety in Bangkok. Then again, I think my attitude has always been rather Thai-ish, which is why I was viewed as an oddball in my native USA. People didn&#8217;t understand my character, but here in Thailand I&#8217;m loved by many, even though my Thai language is still weak. If you&#8217;re the type of person who can&#8217;t change your Western ways of thinking and acting, Thailand isn&#8217;t the place for you. If you can succeed in doing that, it seems almost like a Utopia, as it does for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Frith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Frith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about Grenjai isn&#039;t it. Don&#039;t ask question so the rich don&#039;t have to give answers. Keep em under the cosh. Make sure they are grateful for it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about Grenjai isn&#8217;t it. Don&#8217;t ask question so the rich don&#8217;t have to give answers. Keep em under the cosh. Make sure they are grateful for it too.</p>
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		<title>By: stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When do xenophobia and ethnocentriscism become contextual?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When do xenophobia and ethnocentriscism become contextual?</p>
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		<title>By: Oneditorial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oneditorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry that being called farang might upset some foreigners, but it all depends on the context and the tone of that person when he or she directs sentences at a particular Caucasian. If someone uses the word in a mocking tone, I agree it is rude and inappropriate. But sometimes Thai language makes refering to a Caucasian person as farang unavoidable i.e. when the word is used in a third person context. I am sure that people would prefer to use your name instead of &quot;farang.&quot; Yet, you need to realise that not all people are well-versed in English. I totally agree with your uncomplaining stance, because, as a Thai living abroad, I too have to put up with many things that I don&#039;t particularly like in the native society. But no one forced me to be here. Then again, I would not dream of making generalizations about the locals seeing as it is rather subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry that being called farang might upset some foreigners, but it all depends on the context and the tone of that person when he or she directs sentences at a particular Caucasian. If someone uses the word in a mocking tone, I agree it is rude and inappropriate. But sometimes Thai language makes refering to a Caucasian person as farang unavoidable i.e. when the word is used in a third person context. I am sure that people would prefer to use your name instead of &#8220;farang.&#8221; Yet, you need to realise that not all people are well-versed in English. I totally agree with your uncomplaining stance, because, as a Thai living abroad, I too have to put up with many things that I don&#8217;t particularly like in the native society. But no one forced me to be here. Then again, I would not dream of making generalizations about the locals seeing as it is rather subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: bayon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bayon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While OP&#039;s observations may seem a tad rosy, the values described can easily be found throughout Thailand. It&#039;s just that the bittered long-time farang residents seem to have closed their eyes for seeing just those. As a frequently-traveling alien in Thailand the OP&#039;s subjects spring to mind as many of  the nice features this country offers to her guests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While OP&#8217;s observations may seem a tad rosy, the values described can easily be found throughout Thailand. It&#8217;s just that the bittered long-time farang residents seem to have closed their eyes for seeing just those. As a frequently-traveling alien in Thailand the OP&#8217;s subjects spring to mind as many of  the nice features this country offers to her guests.</p>
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