Comments on: Reds’ One Big Bang? – Or: Civil War? We’ll See http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/ Welcome to Bangkok Thailand, Airport, Politics, Food, Nightlife and Thai Culture of the Big Mango! Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:43:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: khikwai.com » Blog Archive » Intermission http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-11866 khikwai.com » Blog Archive » Intermission Sat, 22 May 2010 14:38:10 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-11866 [...] the extent that it would not be able to prevent the election from having any real consequence (see here; scroll down to the comments). Had the red shirts accepted to disperse, November’s vote would [...] [...] the extent that it would not be able to prevent the election from having any real consequence (see here; scroll down to the comments). Had the red shirts accepted to disperse, November’s vote would [...]

]]> By: khikwai.com » Blog Archive » The End of the Beginning http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-11622 khikwai.com » Blog Archive » The End of the Beginning Mon, 10 May 2010 02:11:48 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-11622 [...] the extent that it would not be able to prevent the election from having any real consequence (see here; scroll down to the comments). As the red shirts prepare for November’s vote, they do so in a [...] [...] the extent that it would not be able to prevent the election from having any real consequence (see here; scroll down to the comments). As the red shirts prepare for November’s vote, they do so in a [...]

]]> By: The Unbearable Lightness Of Civil War http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-11460 The Unbearable Lightness Of Civil War Sun, 25 Apr 2010 07:41:22 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-11460 [...] neither against any party, but since that FCCT presser with the red shirts’ Khun Jaran speaking casually about the possibility of civil war I had to take a side. Made a turn, albeit [...] [...] neither against any party, but since that FCCT presser with the red shirts’ Khun Jaran speaking casually about the possibility of civil war I had to take a side. Made a turn, albeit [...]

]]> By: The big red rally « Thai politics http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10901 The big red rally « Thai politics Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:05:25 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-10901 [...] red leaders themselves are counting on this scenario, judging by this report on Absolutely Bangkok. Well, they can win the first few skirmishes with the army, especially if they engage them in a [...] [...] red leaders themselves are counting on this scenario, judging by this report on Absolutely Bangkok. Well, they can win the first few skirmishes with the army, especially if they engage them in a [...]

]]> By: A Pointless Reminder http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10899 A Pointless Reminder Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:33:17 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-10899 [...] have to defend the reds just because of what again? Because they have a less than credible prime minister in waiting with [...] [...] have to defend the reds just because of what again? Because they have a less than credible prime minister in waiting with [...]

]]> By: stefan http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10892 stefan Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:54:47 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-10892 Agreed Dan, but regarding the "red elites" let's not mince words here - the corrupt Chao Por or even Newin C. are hardly "elite" in the magnitude of the 2% who run the show in this country. Agreed Dan, but regarding the “red elites” let’s not mince words here – the corrupt Chao Por or even Newin C. are hardly “elite” in the magnitude of the 2% who run the show in this country.

]]> By: BangkokDan http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10891 BangkokDan Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:51:37 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-10891 Interesting <em>stefan</em>. Whatever happens, if something happens we'll never know what really happened. The reds will be blamed, even if they're apostles of peace. The timing is wrong. The timing is a clear indication they're upset with the Thaksin verdict, but the aims and goals they have remain fuzzy and vague. Even though we all know what the real aim is. It's an honorable aim. Again, the reds are mimicking the yellows. Follow due process. Be an underdog model example. Time is on your side even if you have to wait. Due process means elections, but also the red elite doesn't seem to care. <a href="mailto:absolutelyBangkok@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">BangkokDan</a> Interesting stefan.

Whatever happens, if something happens we’ll never know what really happened. The reds will be blamed, even if they’re apostles of peace.

The timing is wrong. The timing is a clear indication they’re upset with the Thaksin verdict, but the aims and goals they have remain fuzzy and vague. Even though we all know what the real aim is. It’s an honorable aim.

Again, the reds are mimicking the yellows. Follow due process. Be an underdog model example. Time is on your side even if you have to wait.

Due process means elections, but also the red elite doesn’t seem to care.

BangkokDan

]]> By: stefan http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10890 stefan Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:29:00 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-10890 Very well put Jaded, the core of the dilemma in a nutshell: <blockquote>"Don’t dare contradict or presume to influence the views of your social superiors. You dirty, dark skinned, ignorant, poor people should keep your mouths shut."</blockquote> Dan, a commenter on BP must have read your sidebar comment: "handstied - Discussion 26 : 07/03/2010 at 06:48 PM26 A well known Bangkok blogger worries that he's not convinced about the security reassurances from the UDD leaders. The point he should be worried about is what will be thrown into the mix by the blue shirts' masters. It is scary indeed having Kasit at the apparent helm during the UDD demonstration. He is a belligerant trouble maker and his snout feeds at the trough of the elites pockets. Moreover, the unelected PM further elucidates through his actions that he is not the one holding the strings of power, and his absence from any violence perpetrated on the protesters will save his face? None of these plans are without a darker insidious motivation." Read more: http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10885#ixzz0hVM3TJIv" Very well put Jaded, the core of the dilemma in a nutshell:

“Don’t dare contradict or presume to influence the views of your social superiors. You dirty, dark skinned, ignorant, poor people should keep your mouths shut.”

Dan, a commenter on BP must have read your sidebar comment:

“handstied – Discussion 26 : 07/03/2010 at 06:48 PM26

A well known Bangkok blogger worries that he’s not convinced about the security reassurances from the UDD leaders. The point he should be worried about is what will be thrown into the mix by the blue shirts’ masters. It is scary indeed having Kasit at the apparent helm during the UDD demonstration. He is a belligerant trouble maker and his snout feeds at the trough of the elites pockets. Moreover, the unelected PM further elucidates through his actions that he is not the one holding the strings of power, and his absence from any violence perpetrated on the protesters will save his face? None of these plans are without a darker insidious motivation.”

Read more: http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10885#ixzz0hVM3TJIv“

]]> By: Jaded http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10885 Jaded Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:31:00 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-10885 Presumably readers of this blog have seen Korn's recent statement? Is it actually beyond the comprehension of most of these people that the less privileged sections of the society might actually have a rational view of the political situation and vote accordingly? I would characterize this kind of thinking as the "let them eat cake" view. A Thai acquaintance of mine summarized this view pithily to me recently. Don't dare contradict or presume to influence the views of your social superiors. You dirty, dark skinned, ignorant, poor people should keep your mouths shut and do what you are told. Get down, dam you. Get down! It seems to me that history would suggest ancien regimes led by people with attitudes like this tend not to end well. Presumably readers of this blog have seen Korn’s recent statement? Is it actually beyond the comprehension of most of these people that the less privileged sections of the society might actually have a rational view of the political situation and vote accordingly?

I would characterize this kind of thinking as the “let them eat cake” view.

A Thai acquaintance of mine summarized this view pithily to me recently. Don’t dare contradict or presume to influence the views of your social superiors. You dirty, dark skinned, ignorant, poor people should keep your mouths shut and do what you are told. Get down, dam you. Get down!

It seems to me that history would suggest ancien regimes led by people with attitudes like this tend not to end well.

]]> By: Qualtrough http://absolutelybangkok.com/reds-one-big-bang-or-civil-war-well-see/#comment-10884 Qualtrough Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:04:09 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=7587#comment-10884 The whole Thaksin brouhaha reminds me very much of what happened to Estrada in the Philippines. You had a political and elite outsider (nouveau riche Thaksin and wealthy actor Estrada) come in and upset the way things were done by sharing some of the spoils with the poor. Of course they were corrupt, but that is not the real issue. The real issue is that the Bangkok and Manila elites were getting cut out, or feared getting cut out. And when the elite feel that way they step in to stop it every time. I was no fan of Thaksin, but almost feel for the guy. At any rate, this issue is now larger than Thaksin and will not go away. The whole Thaksin brouhaha reminds me very much of what happened to Estrada in the Philippines. You had a political and elite outsider (nouveau riche Thaksin and wealthy actor Estrada) come in and upset the way things were done by sharing some of the spoils with the poor. Of course they were corrupt, but that is not the real issue. The real issue is that the Bangkok and Manila elites were getting cut out, or feared getting cut out. And when the elite feel that way they step in to stop it every time. I was no fan of Thaksin, but almost feel for the guy. At any rate, this issue is now larger than Thaksin and will not go away.

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