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		<title>By: ibatum</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thailands-totalitarian-democracy-west/#comment-1049</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether you are rich or poor, educated or uneducated, pro- or anti-Thaksin, one thing you must realize is that in a democracy everyone is equal when it comes to voting. Each person has one vote, regardless of their wealth, social status or level of education.

Unfortunately that&#039;s not what the PAD believes in. Its &quot;new politics&quot; proposal is a strong piece of evidence showing their lack of trust in the people as well as their negative views on elections. They want the country run by the elites, those from high above with privileged status. They brand those who don&#039;t agree with them (including those who support neither Thaksin or the PAD) &quot;unpatriotic&quot; and immoral, much like how the U.S. said to the world &quot;you either join us or you side with the terrorists.&quot; And their relentless nationalist rhetoric simply has no place in the 21st century. The PAD just needs to drop &quot;democracy&quot; from its name if it wants to restore at least a tiny bit of its credibility.


PAD = elitist, ultra-nationalist, reactionary, undemocratic, backward</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether you are rich or poor, educated or uneducated, pro- or anti-Thaksin, one thing you must realize is that in a democracy everyone is equal when it comes to voting. Each person has one vote, regardless of their wealth, social status or level of education.</p>
<p>Unfortunately that&#8217;s not what the PAD believes in. Its &#8220;new politics&#8221; proposal is a strong piece of evidence showing their lack of trust in the people as well as their negative views on elections. They want the country run by the elites, those from high above with privileged status. They brand those who don&#8217;t agree with them (including those who support neither Thaksin or the PAD) &#8220;unpatriotic&#8221; and immoral, much like how the U.S. said to the world &#8220;you either join us or you side with the terrorists.&#8221; And their relentless nationalist rhetoric simply has no place in the 21st century. The PAD just needs to drop &#8220;democracy&#8221; from its name if it wants to restore at least a tiny bit of its credibility.</p>
<p>PAD = elitist, ultra-nationalist, reactionary, undemocratic, backward</p>
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		<title>By: Erick</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thailands-totalitarian-democracy-west/#comment-992</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rama the 7th did consider a move towards democracy. And firmly rejected it. Not only because he thought his peasant subjects were not up to the task, but because he was seeking to preserve the self-interest and power of the Chakri monarchy as well. Just read the latest issue of FaaDiawKan for the full story. And to see how the monarchy clawed itself back from irrelevancy after the 1932 coup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rama the 7th did consider a move towards democracy. And firmly rejected it. Not only because he thought his peasant subjects were not up to the task, but because he was seeking to preserve the self-interest and power of the Chakri monarchy as well. Just read the latest issue of FaaDiawKan for the full story. And to see how the monarchy clawed itself back from irrelevancy after the 1932 coup.</p>
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		<title>By: bangkokfrog</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thailands-totalitarian-democracy-west/#comment-990</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that, despite the criticism, Thaksin and TRT did a lot of good for Thailand but see this article as very simplistic and perhaps biased towards them.

First we need to understand some things about Thailand. When this country first overthrew the Monarchy in 1932 the King at the time (Rama 7) was already considering a move towards a democracy but was concerned that the rural poor were not sufficiently educated to make informed decisions and that accordingly their votes could easily be manipulated by the wealthy elite (at that stage he was concerned mainly about the Bangkok Chinese merchant community).

As I see it, not much has changed. TRT/PPP won government based on the votes of the poorly educated (in terms of political reality) rural majority in the North swayed by massive spending popularist policies and rampant vote buying. I don&#039;t think that this qualifies as a &quot;fair&quot; election that should have settled the matter. 

Also, you fail to deal with the claims of corruption on an enormous scale by his government.

I don&#039;t believe for one moment that change is being asked for by a &quot;raging mob,&quot; but rather the educated Bangkok middle class who can see behind the smoke screen and want to see a true democratic government that is constituted by and for the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, despite the criticism, Thaksin and TRT did a lot of good for Thailand but see this article as very simplistic and perhaps biased towards them.</p>
<p>First we need to understand some things about Thailand. When this country first overthrew the Monarchy in 1932 the King at the time (Rama 7) was already considering a move towards a democracy but was concerned that the rural poor were not sufficiently educated to make informed decisions and that accordingly their votes could easily be manipulated by the wealthy elite (at that stage he was concerned mainly about the Bangkok Chinese merchant community).</p>
<p>As I see it, not much has changed. TRT/PPP won government based on the votes of the poorly educated (in terms of political reality) rural majority in the North swayed by massive spending popularist policies and rampant vote buying. I don&#8217;t think that this qualifies as a &#8220;fair&#8221; election that should have settled the matter. </p>
<p>Also, you fail to deal with the claims of corruption on an enormous scale by his government.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe for one moment that change is being asked for by a &#8220;raging mob,&#8221; but rather the educated Bangkok middle class who can see behind the smoke screen and want to see a true democratic government that is constituted by and for the people.</p>
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