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		<title>By: Leopold</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/comment-page-1/#comment-8477</link>
		<dc:creator>Leopold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, except the last paragraph (look at how his votes came down), I agree with most of your latest comment.

But, in regard to you, not Vongthip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, except the last paragraph (look at how his votes came down), I agree with most of your latest comment.</p>
<p>But, in regard to you, not Vongthip.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, hi.

A perfectly splendid person she may be. I have never met her so I am no position to express an opinion. It is surely sad that  being a wonderful human being is no guarantee against a person holding willfully uninformed views or possessing an obsequious and frankly stupid set of beliefs. There is enough information out there for any thinking person to determine that Thais have been treated like mushrooms for decades (by that I mean kept in the dark and fed a diet of bullshit), and to allow their belief systems to be guided by facts rather than propaganda.

To believe something just because you are told to believe it, and because it is more comfortable to believe it and conform than to it is to question and think for oneself, is frankly something that I would expect from 8-year-old children and not warm, caring, wonderful human beings.

I comment only on Vongthip&#039;s beliefs as expressed, and hers, like all similar views, arise from a faith stance and a need to exist in some other dimension rather than arising from fact, but of course all people with reactionary beliefs express them as fact and not opinion. This is why the remarkably unintelligent Thai politicians can say (with apparent conviction) that &#039;Thai people are offended&#039; when what they really mean is that they themselves are offended. Because they believe themselves to be important, they naturally assume that all Thais think as they do.

If all Thais did believe the same fictions though, then Thaksin would not have won landslide election victories, and people like Vongtip would not now be trying to do a King Canute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, hi.</p>
<p>A perfectly splendid person she may be. I have never met her so I am no position to express an opinion. It is surely sad that  being a wonderful human being is no guarantee against a person holding willfully uninformed views or possessing an obsequious and frankly stupid set of beliefs. There is enough information out there for any thinking person to determine that Thais have been treated like mushrooms for decades (by that I mean kept in the dark and fed a diet of bullshit), and to allow their belief systems to be guided by facts rather than propaganda.</p>
<p>To believe something just because you are told to believe it, and because it is more comfortable to believe it and conform than to it is to question and think for oneself, is frankly something that I would expect from 8-year-old children and not warm, caring, wonderful human beings.</p>
<p>I comment only on Vongthip&#8217;s beliefs as expressed, and hers, like all similar views, arise from a faith stance and a need to exist in some other dimension rather than arising from fact, but of course all people with reactionary beliefs express them as fact and not opinion. This is why the remarkably unintelligent Thai politicians can say (with apparent conviction) that &#8216;Thai people are offended&#8217; when what they really mean is that they themselves are offended. Because they believe themselves to be important, they naturally assume that all Thais think as they do.</p>
<p>If all Thais did believe the same fictions though, then Thaksin would not have won landslide election victories, and people like Vongtip would not now be trying to do a King Canute.</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khun Vongthip is in fact a distinguished businesswoman whose advice was highly appreciated by many foreign businessmen especially given her excellent English.I can also vouch that from a personal view point she was a kind and generous human being. Having said that she clearly does represent the particular perspective of the Sino-Thai urban upper middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khun Vongthip is in fact a distinguished businesswoman whose advice was highly appreciated by many foreign businessmen especially given her excellent English.I can also vouch that from a personal view point she was a kind and generous human being. Having said that she clearly does represent the particular perspective of the Sino-Thai urban upper middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/comment-page-1/#comment-8221</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StanG:

I have already said sufficient on this topic, there will be no more save adding that I resent people who lack even the intelligence to notice that what they believe is what has been pumped into their unquestioning brains since they were born. 

I resent them even more than I resent farangs who should know better but somehow think they will impress Thais (or perhaps a few &quot;special&quot; Thais) by declaring their own idiotic love for someone without bothering to investigate facts rather than fiction.
All from me on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StanG:</p>
<p>I have already said sufficient on this topic, there will be no more save adding that I resent people who lack even the intelligence to notice that what they believe is what has been pumped into their unquestioning brains since they were born. </p>
<p>I resent them even more than I resent farangs who should know better but somehow think they will impress Thais (or perhaps a few &#8220;special&#8221; Thais) by declaring their own idiotic love for someone without bothering to investigate facts rather than fiction.<br />
All from me on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: MongerSEA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MongerSEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, if you repeat the Big Lie often enough it begins to become the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, if you repeat the Big Lie often enough it begins to become the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: StanG</title>
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		<dc:creator>StanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I just want to know what is wrong with this particular letter from your existing point of view (which I&#039;m not challenging, for now).

At this point I feel like I&#039;m missing something, that I barged into the middle of a long war on Vongthip where what she says now is not important anymore and she is being crucified for some previous offenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I just want to know what is wrong with this particular letter from your existing point of view (which I&#8217;m not challenging, for now).</p>
<p>At this point I feel like I&#8217;m missing something, that I barged into the middle of a long war on Vongthip where what she says now is not important anymore and she is being crucified for some previous offenses.</p>
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