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		<title>By: Leopold</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8477</link>
		<dc:creator>Leopold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, except the last paragraph (look at how his votes came down), I agree with most of your latest comment.

But, in regard to you, not Vongthip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, except the last paragraph (look at how his votes came down), I agree with most of your latest comment.</p>
<p>But, in regard to you, not Vongthip.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8476</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, hi.

A perfectly splendid person she may be. I have never met her so I am no position to express an opinion. It is surely sad that  being a wonderful human being is no guarantee against a person holding willfully uninformed views or possessing an obsequious and frankly stupid set of beliefs. There is enough information out there for any thinking person to determine that Thais have been treated like mushrooms for decades (by that I mean kept in the dark and fed a diet of bullshit), and to allow their belief systems to be guided by facts rather than propaganda.

To believe something just because you are told to believe it, and because it is more comfortable to believe it and conform than to it is to question and think for oneself, is frankly something that I would expect from 8-year-old children and not warm, caring, wonderful human beings.

I comment only on Vongthip&#039;s beliefs as expressed, and hers, like all similar views, arise from a faith stance and a need to exist in some other dimension rather than arising from fact, but of course all people with reactionary beliefs express them as fact and not opinion. This is why the remarkably unintelligent Thai politicians can say (with apparent conviction) that &#039;Thai people are offended&#039; when what they really mean is that they themselves are offended. Because they believe themselves to be important, they naturally assume that all Thais think as they do.

If all Thais did believe the same fictions though, then Thaksin would not have won landslide election victories, and people like Vongtip would not now be trying to do a King Canute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, hi.</p>
<p>A perfectly splendid person she may be. I have never met her so I am no position to express an opinion. It is surely sad that  being a wonderful human being is no guarantee against a person holding willfully uninformed views or possessing an obsequious and frankly stupid set of beliefs. There is enough information out there for any thinking person to determine that Thais have been treated like mushrooms for decades (by that I mean kept in the dark and fed a diet of bullshit), and to allow their belief systems to be guided by facts rather than propaganda.</p>
<p>To believe something just because you are told to believe it, and because it is more comfortable to believe it and conform than to it is to question and think for oneself, is frankly something that I would expect from 8-year-old children and not warm, caring, wonderful human beings.</p>
<p>I comment only on Vongthip&#8217;s beliefs as expressed, and hers, like all similar views, arise from a faith stance and a need to exist in some other dimension rather than arising from fact, but of course all people with reactionary beliefs express them as fact and not opinion. This is why the remarkably unintelligent Thai politicians can say (with apparent conviction) that &#8216;Thai people are offended&#8217; when what they really mean is that they themselves are offended. Because they believe themselves to be important, they naturally assume that all Thais think as they do.</p>
<p>If all Thais did believe the same fictions though, then Thaksin would not have won landslide election victories, and people like Vongtip would not now be trying to do a King Canute.</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8461</link>
		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khun Vongthip is in fact a distinguished businesswoman whose advice was highly appreciated by many foreign businessmen especially given her excellent English.I can also vouch that from a personal view point she was a kind and generous human being. Having said that she clearly does represent the particular perspective of the Sino-Thai urban upper middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khun Vongthip is in fact a distinguished businesswoman whose advice was highly appreciated by many foreign businessmen especially given her excellent English.I can also vouch that from a personal view point she was a kind and generous human being. Having said that she clearly does represent the particular perspective of the Sino-Thai urban upper middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8221</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StanG:

I have already said sufficient on this topic, there will be no more save adding that I resent people who lack even the intelligence to notice that what they believe is what has been pumped into their unquestioning brains since they were born. 

I resent them even more than I resent farangs who should know better but somehow think they will impress Thais (or perhaps a few &quot;special&quot; Thais) by declaring their own idiotic love for someone without bothering to investigate facts rather than fiction.
All from me on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StanG:</p>
<p>I have already said sufficient on this topic, there will be no more save adding that I resent people who lack even the intelligence to notice that what they believe is what has been pumped into their unquestioning brains since they were born. </p>
<p>I resent them even more than I resent farangs who should know better but somehow think they will impress Thais (or perhaps a few &#8220;special&#8221; Thais) by declaring their own idiotic love for someone without bothering to investigate facts rather than fiction.<br />
All from me on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: MongerSEA</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8210</link>
		<dc:creator>MongerSEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, if you repeat the Big Lie often enough it begins to become the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, if you repeat the Big Lie often enough it begins to become the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: StanG</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8205</link>
		<dc:creator>StanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I just want to know what is wrong with this particular letter from your existing point of view (which I&#039;m not challenging, for now).

At this point I feel like I&#039;m missing something, that I barged into the middle of a long war on Vongthip where what she says now is not important anymore and she is being crucified for some previous offenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I just want to know what is wrong with this particular letter from your existing point of view (which I&#8217;m not challenging, for now).</p>
<p>At this point I feel like I&#8217;m missing something, that I barged into the middle of a long war on Vongthip where what she says now is not important anymore and she is being crucified for some previous offenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8202</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StanG

One man&#039;s abuse is another man&#039;s fair comment. If you think I am wrong then point out the error. On the other hand if you just don&#039;t like it but can&#039;t quite show where it is wrong, just ignore it. 

The fact you have heard the arguments before and still can&#039;t show where they are wrong suggests you should consider them more carefully. That&#039;s why we have a neo-cortex.

Perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StanG</p>
<p>One man&#8217;s abuse is another man&#8217;s fair comment. If you think I am wrong then point out the error. On the other hand if you just don&#8217;t like it but can&#8217;t quite show where it is wrong, just ignore it. </p>
<p>The fact you have heard the arguments before and still can&#8217;t show where they are wrong suggests you should consider them more carefully. That&#8217;s why we have a neo-cortex.</p>
<p>Perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: StanG</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8199</link>
		<dc:creator>StanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I&#039;ve heard these arguments before.

But what exactly in this letter justifies so much abuse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I&#8217;ve heard these arguments before.</p>
<p>But what exactly in this letter justifies so much abuse?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8198</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. This is one example of the delusional interpretation that these awful people put on things in the guise of intelligent journalism, it is one of the reasons I find her obsequious and simpering royalism so offensive.

For StanG. I regularly go to Isaan whee I have a number of Thai friends. They are all poor and for them, getting their next meal is often a problem, though not as much since Thaksin came as it was before. I help out where their wonderful government and those who are backing it do not.

So when someone like Vongthip, who presents as a sycophantic  hi-so wannabe, starts spouting her delusional nonsense, which is so far at variance from my own observation of events, it makes me wonder what the future of Thailand really is. Our friend of Mithras is right, there is more than a touch of Toyland in this nonsense.

My advice to her and her ilk: stop simpering around the power elites and spend a week living like the Thai poor spend their entire lives. Then come back and see if you resent some Thais having nothing to eat while some others have ripped out huge fortunes. 37,000,000,000USD from exploiting those less fortunate is a national shame and gives a whole new dimension to the word hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. This is one example of the delusional interpretation that these awful people put on things in the guise of intelligent journalism, it is one of the reasons I find her obsequious and simpering royalism so offensive.</p>
<p>For StanG. I regularly go to Isaan whee I have a number of Thai friends. They are all poor and for them, getting their next meal is often a problem, though not as much since Thaksin came as it was before. I help out where their wonderful government and those who are backing it do not.</p>
<p>So when someone like Vongthip, who presents as a sycophantic  hi-so wannabe, starts spouting her delusional nonsense, which is so far at variance from my own observation of events, it makes me wonder what the future of Thailand really is. Our friend of Mithras is right, there is more than a touch of Toyland in this nonsense.</p>
<p>My advice to her and her ilk: stop simpering around the power elites and spend a week living like the Thai poor spend their entire lives. Then come back and see if you resent some Thais having nothing to eat while some others have ripped out huge fortunes. 37,000,000,000USD from exploiting those less fortunate is a national shame and gives a whole new dimension to the word hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mithran</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-vongthip-letter-nov-09/#comment-8175</link>
		<dc:creator>Mithran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, is there anyone else who&#039;s reading this hearing echoes of Enid Blyton?

&quot;Notwithstanding the highly embarrassing and undiplomatic behavior of Thaksin’s friend from Cambodia, PM Abhisit was able to carry out his role as a perfect host of the event ... Mindful of the devious plot to unseat him at all costs, PM Abhisit calmly asked PM Hun Sen to reconsider his stand ...&quot;

&quot;... and after the nasty Cambodians had been put in their place, Abhisit and his friends went back to Pa Prem&#039;s house for lashings of ginger beer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, is there anyone else who&#8217;s reading this hearing echoes of Enid Blyton?</p>
<p>&#8220;Notwithstanding the highly embarrassing and undiplomatic behavior of Thaksin’s friend from Cambodia, PM Abhisit was able to carry out his role as a perfect host of the event &#8230; Mindful of the devious plot to unseat him at all costs, PM Abhisit calmly asked PM Hun Sen to reconsider his stand &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; and after the nasty Cambodians had been put in their place, Abhisit and his friends went back to Pa Prem&#8217;s house for lashings of ginger beer.&#8221;</p>
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