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		<title>By: StanG</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thitinan-on-continuity-change/#comment-12073</link>
		<dc:creator>StanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crispin is a good source to judge perceptions among diplomats, so far they appear to be firmly pro-Abhisit. 

Domestically, however, it appears the army and Prayuth need Abhisit more than he needs them. 

Abhisit managed to frame military&#039;s role into &quot;protect the monarchy and this government&quot; boundary they can&#039;t step out of publicly.

I can&#039;t see any better course of action on his part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crispin is a good source to judge perceptions among diplomats, so far they appear to be firmly pro-Abhisit. </p>
<p>Domestically, however, it appears the army and Prayuth need Abhisit more than he needs them. </p>
<p>Abhisit managed to frame military&#8217;s role into &#8220;protect the monarchy and this government&#8221; boundary they can&#8217;t step out of publicly.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see any better course of action on his part.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see even Vichai N getting uneasy..... (take that in the positive spirit in which it&#039;s meant). Given that the main uniformed stakeholders in CRES are the same ones that acted as at least midwives to the birth of the coalition, one questions whether Crispin&#039;s &quot;morphing&quot; is in the correct tense.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Let’s not allow the Thai military to get too much into our hair, OK?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That also begs some questions: &quot;How much is too much?,&quot; &quot;Is it already too much?&quot; and - crucially - &quot;Isn&#039;t it the Thai military that does the &quot;allowing&quot;?.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see even Vichai N getting uneasy&#8230;.. (take that in the positive spirit in which it&#8217;s meant). Given that the main uniformed stakeholders in CRES are the same ones that acted as at least midwives to the birth of the coalition, one questions whether Crispin&#8217;s &#8220;morphing&#8221; is in the correct tense.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Let’s not allow the Thai military to get too much into our hair, OK?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That also begs some questions: &#8220;How much is too much?,&#8221; &#8220;Is it already too much?&#8221; and &#8211; crucially &#8211; &#8220;Isn&#8217;t it the Thai military that does the &#8220;allowing&#8221;?.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vichai N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vichai N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the military beginning to &quot;call the shots&quot; at how PM Abhisit&#039;s government should be run? That seems to be the ominous opinion of Asia Times in the latests Shawn Crispin article &quot;Abhisit&#039;s Democratic Choice&quot;:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LF12Ae01.html

Quote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;... that the Center for the Resolution of Emergency Situations (CRES), which was formed to handle the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) protest group&#039;s street protests, is morphing into a sort of &quot;shadow government&quot; to Abhisit&#039;s democratically elected  coalition.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I too am getting uneasy. Nobody believes the news they read or hear anymore. People no longer sense a threat from widespread red insurgency and accordingly PM Abhisit should start to de-fang CRES particularly in areas where the threat is very minimal and could be handled by the police.

Let&#039;s not allow the Thai military to get too much into our hair, OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the military beginning to &#8220;call the shots&#8221; at how PM Abhisit&#8217;s government should be run? That seems to be the ominous opinion of Asia Times in the latests Shawn Crispin article &#8220;Abhisit&#8217;s Democratic Choice&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LF12Ae01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LF12Ae01.html</a></p>
<p>Quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230; that the Center for the Resolution of Emergency Situations (CRES), which was formed to handle the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) protest group&#8217;s street protests, is morphing into a sort of &#8220;shadow government&#8221; to Abhisit&#8217;s democratically elected  coalition.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I too am getting uneasy. Nobody believes the news they read or hear anymore. People no longer sense a threat from widespread red insurgency and accordingly PM Abhisit should start to de-fang CRES particularly in areas where the threat is very minimal and could be handled by the police.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not allow the Thai military to get too much into our hair, OK?</p>
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		<title>By: StanG</title>
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		<dc:creator>StanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chunkton:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;StanG, why post articles from people that don’t follow the fascist line?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What?!?

I was under the impression that people like you attack Abhisit for being a puppet of elites that actually made Thailand into an Asian Tiger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chunkton:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;StanG, why post articles from people that don’t follow the fascist line?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>What?!?</p>
<p>I was under the impression that people like you attack Abhisit for being a puppet of elites that actually made Thailand into an Asian Tiger.</p>
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		<title>By: Chunkton</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thitinan-on-continuity-change/#comment-12055</link>
		<dc:creator>Chunkton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StanG, why post articles from people that don&#039;t follow the fascist line? They state well reasoned pieces seeking moderation and conciliation, then you attack them.

As I have said before I see no good guys here, but sadly you do. What does Abhisit offer this country but more of the same crap that has seen ab Asian Tiger turn into a pussy cat. Not that Thaksin was any better, greed and nepotism decide outcomes, not good economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StanG, why post articles from people that don&#8217;t follow the fascist line? They state well reasoned pieces seeking moderation and conciliation, then you attack them.</p>
<p>As I have said before I see no good guys here, but sadly you do. What does Abhisit offer this country but more of the same crap that has seen ab Asian Tiger turn into a pussy cat. Not that Thaksin was any better, greed and nepotism decide outcomes, not good economics.</p>
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		<title>By: BangkokDan</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thitinan-on-continuity-change/#comment-12050</link>
		<dc:creator>BangkokDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who read Thai, here&#039;s a more extensive Thitinan Matichon interview:

http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1275799476&amp;grpid=01&amp;catid=

&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:absolutelyBangkok@gmail.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BangkokDan&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who read Thai, here&#8217;s a more extensive Thitinan Matichon interview:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1275799476&#038;grpid=01&#038;catid" rel="nofollow">http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1275799476&#038;grpid=01&#038;catid</a>=</p>
<p><a href="mailto:absolutelyBangkok@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">BangkokDan</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vichai N</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thitinan-on-continuity-change/#comment-12046</link>
		<dc:creator>Vichai N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 02:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I caught Chalerm on the televised debate.

&quot;Vile and dangerous thought&quot; from the opposition party leader Chalerm, while party member Jatuporn ranted on angrily about Da Torpedo&#039;s incarceration, both defending the Red cause.

I know, you know ... that both the ruling government and the opposition would rather repeal LM laws, because it gets in the way of any serious open parliamentary debate. Won&#039;t happen during HMK Bhumibol&#039;s reign definitely.

Extremist movements with large followings, the yellow and the red shirts, threatened to polarize Thailand.  But both had failed, and leaders of both yellow and red shirts are now facing very serious criminal charges.  The rise of the Red and Yellow shirts was good in the sense it raised the urgency of the Thai people unifying on the middle ground to resist the demagoguery of extremism.

The rising popularity of Abhisit reflects the Thai people&#039;s choice of the middle ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I caught Chalerm on the televised debate.</p>
<p>&#8220;Vile and dangerous thought&#8221; from the opposition party leader Chalerm, while party member Jatuporn ranted on angrily about Da Torpedo&#8217;s incarceration, both defending the Red cause.</p>
<p>I know, you know &#8230; that both the ruling government and the opposition would rather repeal LM laws, because it gets in the way of any serious open parliamentary debate. Won&#8217;t happen during HMK Bhumibol&#8217;s reign definitely.</p>
<p>Extremist movements with large followings, the yellow and the red shirts, threatened to polarize Thailand.  But both had failed, and leaders of both yellow and red shirts are now facing very serious criminal charges.  The rise of the Red and Yellow shirts was good in the sense it raised the urgency of the Thai people unifying on the middle ground to resist the demagoguery of extremism.</p>
<p>The rising popularity of Abhisit reflects the Thai people&#8217;s choice of the middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: StanG</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thitinan-on-continuity-change/#comment-12045</link>
		<dc:creator>StanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vichai, on red shirts and LM - did you miss Chalerm, their candidate for the prime minister, blasting Kasit for even suggesting the country needs to talk about the role of the monarchy? 

&quot;Vile and dangerous thought&quot; Chalerm called it.

Two extremes are present in that movement, united only by their thirst for power.

Whichever one prevails should they ever get it, it won&#039;t be pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vichai, on red shirts and LM &#8211; did you miss Chalerm, their candidate for the prime minister, blasting Kasit for even suggesting the country needs to talk about the role of the monarchy? </p>
<p>&#8220;Vile and dangerous thought&#8221; Chalerm called it.</p>
<p>Two extremes are present in that movement, united only by their thirst for power.</p>
<p>Whichever one prevails should they ever get it, it won&#8217;t be pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://absolutelybangkok.com/thitinan-on-continuity-change/#comment-12044</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Yes, he is the most quoted Thai academic, but not in academic journals – he is quoted in foreign media.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sure - just forget about all the columns in Bangkok Post, three books and a couple of dozen articles/chapters in academic journals:

http://www.ids.polsci.chula.ac.th/Documents/CV%20Thitinan.pdf
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Thitinan himself didn’t say much, most of it was the presenter paraphrasing him ...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A basic primer (for those who evidently need one) on condensing a lengthy discussion/interview into a six-minute package ... Key passages will be used complete and with the speaker in vision. Other sections will be summarised by the reporter and thereby also enable illustrative footage to be used under &lt;b&gt;his&lt;/b&gt; voice. Using that footage under the interviewee&#039;s own voice is a no-no - his words would be construed as commentary on the specific footage as if he had selected it. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;... and there was nothing we haven’t heard from Thitinan before, his angle is well known and has been debated for years.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well known to a general ASEAN audience?
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Personally, I noticed Thitinan never raised his eyes to look either into the camera or at presenter’s face as if he had some form of autism or was ashamed of his own words.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Personally, I hope comment on this is superfluous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Yes, he is the most quoted Thai academic, but not in academic journals – he is quoted in foreign media.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure &#8211; just forget about all the columns in Bangkok Post, three books and a couple of dozen articles/chapters in academic journals:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ids.polsci.chula.ac.th/Documents/CV%20Thitinan.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ids.polsci.chula.ac.th/Documents/CV%20Thitinan.pdf</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Thitinan himself didn’t say much, most of it was the presenter paraphrasing him &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>A basic primer (for those who evidently need one) on condensing a lengthy discussion/interview into a six-minute package &#8230; Key passages will be used complete and with the speaker in vision. Other sections will be summarised by the reporter and thereby also enable illustrative footage to be used under <b>his</b> voice. Using that footage under the interviewee&#8217;s own voice is a no-no &#8211; his words would be construed as commentary on the specific footage as if he had selected it. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230; and there was nothing we haven’t heard from Thitinan before, his angle is well known and has been debated for years.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well known to a general ASEAN audience?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Personally, I noticed Thitinan never raised his eyes to look either into the camera or at presenter’s face as if he had some form of autism or was ashamed of his own words.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, I hope comment on this is superfluous.</p>
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		<title>By: Vichai N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vichai N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About GeGee&#039;s concerns:

My points (a) more powers/tax money to the provincial/local governments  and (b) reallocation of tax money towards accelerating rural development, could be easily addressed now in any open public debate.  

My points (c) and (d) pertaining to constitutional rewrite and reconciliation map that addresses grievances and discontent do require an open and free debate that may touch on sensitive Thai issues. Thailand&#039;s lèse majesté (LM) laws are serious impediments to any open debate about how to change the status quo.

The question therefore really is how long before the Thai people dispenses away with its LM laws? I asked this question to StanG weeks ago and his response was it could take &quot;a revolution.&quot; Well Thailand just had a near-revolution from the discontented Reds and had they succeeded LM  probably was on top of their get-rid-of list. Certainly NOT during HM King Bhumibol&#039;s reign will anyone dare question LM.

After the royal succession will open up possibilities of tackling LM and other sacred issues. The shadow of the yellow shirts intimidate of course; but their Suvarnabhumi and other shenanigans of past had seriously discredited PAD ... so I think PAD will just be that - a shadow making lots of noises.

It will take a really popular respected leader to tackle LM head on, and get Thailand&#039;s parliament to have LM revised or repealed altogether. Maybe Abhisit ... maybe but I don&#039;t know.

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To Occasional Poster on his concern about the feudal political lords in Thailand&#039;s provinces. Yes, I agree with you that increasing the powers of the local politicians leads to more power to the political lords and their dynasties. That&#039;s the price of more local autonomy and more democracy. The free-wheeling democracy of the Philippines and their hundreds of local powerful bosses is instructional. That&#039;s democracy (both ugly and beautiful) if Thailand goes the same path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About GeGee&#8217;s concerns:</p>
<p>My points (a) more powers/tax money to the provincial/local governments  and (b) reallocation of tax money towards accelerating rural development, could be easily addressed now in any open public debate.  </p>
<p>My points (c) and (d) pertaining to constitutional rewrite and reconciliation map that addresses grievances and discontent do require an open and free debate that may touch on sensitive Thai issues. Thailand&#8217;s lèse majesté (LM) laws are serious impediments to any open debate about how to change the status quo.</p>
<p>The question therefore really is how long before the Thai people dispenses away with its LM laws? I asked this question to StanG weeks ago and his response was it could take &#8220;a revolution.&#8221; Well Thailand just had a near-revolution from the discontented Reds and had they succeeded LM  probably was on top of their get-rid-of list. Certainly NOT during HM King Bhumibol&#8217;s reign will anyone dare question LM.</p>
<p>After the royal succession will open up possibilities of tackling LM and other sacred issues. The shadow of the yellow shirts intimidate of course; but their Suvarnabhumi and other shenanigans of past had seriously discredited PAD &#8230; so I think PAD will just be that &#8211; a shadow making lots of noises.</p>
<p>It will take a really popular respected leader to tackle LM head on, and get Thailand&#8217;s parliament to have LM revised or repealed altogether. Maybe Abhisit &#8230; maybe but I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>To Occasional Poster on his concern about the feudal political lords in Thailand&#8217;s provinces. Yes, I agree with you that increasing the powers of the local politicians leads to more power to the political lords and their dynasties. That&#8217;s the price of more local autonomy and more democracy. The free-wheeling democracy of the Philippines and their hundreds of local powerful bosses is instructional. That&#8217;s democracy (both ugly and beautiful) if Thailand goes the same path.</p>
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