Comments on: Those Annoying Torture Memos http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/ Welcome to Bangkok Thailand, Airport, Politics, Food, Nightlife and Thai Culture of the Big Mango! Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:43:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: bosunj http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/#comment-3955 bosunj Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:38:32 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=4586#comment-3955 Mengele would have been so proud of these guys: I sure as hell am not. http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m53689&hd=&size=1&l=e Why?!?!? Because a country which legitimizes torture cannot, for one second, have its representatives speak about freedom, human dignity, or human rights without getting rightfully booted off the international stage as hypocrites and liars. If we are silent, knowing that this government legitimized torture, we become accomplices after the fact. Everyone who signed off on torture, from former President Bush on down, should be prosecuted within the fullest extent of the law. Only then can we begin to restore this country, both in the eyes of its citizens, and the eyes of the world, as a moral country with a conscience. - Michael Rivero Mengele would have been so proud of these guys: I sure as hell am not.

http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m53689&hd=&size=1&l=e

Why?!?!? Because a country which legitimizes torture cannot, for one second, have its representatives speak about freedom, human dignity, or human rights without getting rightfully booted off the international stage as hypocrites and liars.

If we are silent, knowing that this government legitimized torture, we become accomplices after the fact.

Everyone who signed off on torture, from former President Bush on down, should be prosecuted within the fullest extent of the law. Only then can we begin to restore this country, both in the eyes of its citizens, and the eyes of the world, as a moral country with a conscience. – Michael Rivero

]]> By: bosunj http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/#comment-3950 bosunj Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:02:02 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=4586#comment-3950 Torture is a war crime and a crime against humanity. No amount of rationalization changes that fact. There is no justification for torture. Ever. Torture is a war crime and a crime against humanity. No amount of rationalization changes that fact. There is no justification for torture. Ever.

]]> By: BangkokDan http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/#comment-3948 BangkokDan Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:03:17 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=4586#comment-3948 Your outrage <em>bosunj</em> invokes the equation that if torture has to be rejected terrorism has to be rejected, which will hardly be refuted by anyone. Not torture per se is the issue here, but "selective torture" as a means to prevent a possibly much larger crime, such as blowing up a plane. If torture works depends on many factors. But I'd like to see the guy who threatens my family to be made-to-talk instead of repeating the mantra "torture is a crime" and welcoming that guy as a part of the family of torture-rejecting citizens of the world, even though he's about to inflict pain on a grand scale. The opposite would be plain naive and irresponsible. <a href="mailto:absolutelyBangkok@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">BangkokDan</a> Your outrage bosunj invokes the equation that if torture has to be rejected terrorism has to be rejected, which will hardly be refuted by anyone.

Not torture per se is the issue here, but “selective torture” as a means to prevent a possibly much larger crime, such as blowing up a plane.

If torture works depends on many factors. But I’d like to see the guy who threatens my family to be made-to-talk instead of repeating the mantra “torture is a crime” and welcoming that guy as a part of the family of torture-rejecting citizens of the world, even though he’s about to inflict pain on a grand scale.

The opposite would be plain naive and irresponsible.

BangkokDan

]]> By: bosunj http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/#comment-3945 bosunj Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:52:36 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=4586#comment-3945 Have we really sunk so low as to seriously ask, Does torture work? http://buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/371 Those supporting the war crime crime and crime against humanity of torture are glaringly similar to those who advocated murdering protesters at the airports so they could get home without delay. Disgusting similar! Have we really sunk so low as to seriously ask, Does torture work?

http://buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/371

Those supporting the war crime crime and crime against humanity of torture are glaringly similar to those who advocated murdering protesters at the airports so they could get home without delay. Disgusting similar!

]]> By: laura http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/#comment-3942 laura Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:17:00 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=4586#comment-3942 Maybe Thai torture works. They wouldn't have done it over here for no reason, would they. Or Bush simply trusted Thaksin that he'll keep his mouth shut. Maybe Thai torture works. They wouldn’t have done it over here for no reason, would they. Or Bush simply trusted Thaksin that he’ll keep his mouth shut.

]]> By: bosunj http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/#comment-3929 bosunj Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:23:34 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=4586#comment-3929 Torture is both a war crime and a crime against humanity. Monster Dick Cheney may have gone on that paragon of right wing propaganda FOX News and shot off his mouth but his statement that torture works is ludicrous. Mengele would be proud! Top Interrogation Experts Agree: Torture Doesn't Work http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/top-interrogation-experts-say-torture.html Torture is both a war crime and a crime against humanity.

Monster Dick Cheney may have gone on that paragon of right wing propaganda FOX News and shot off his mouth but his statement that torture works is ludicrous. Mengele would be proud!

Top Interrogation Experts Agree: Torture Doesn’t Work

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/top-interrogation-experts-say-torture.html

]]> By: Fonzi http://absolutelybangkok.com/those-annoying-torture-memos/#comment-3926 Fonzi Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:22:57 +0000 http://absolutelybangkok.com/?p=4586#comment-3926 I am working on a special blog piece for this, so I didn't blow it off. It is just a huge effort to put the pieces together. We do know who was tortured - the big players - and generally when. The Thai generals and security services did know and so did the Thai media way back then. I am working on a special blog piece for this, so I didn’t blow it off. It is just a huge effort to put the pieces together. We do know who was tortured – the big players – and generally when. The Thai generals and security services did know and so did the Thai media way back then.

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